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Post by laffx on Dec 11, 2014 20:01:43 GMT
Does the lack of free will still allow us to logically retain our sense of arrogance? I think it does. So imagine, for example, that I am a millionaire, walking through the streets of downtown when I am suddenly approached by a homeless man, begging for money. I then tell that homeless man, thank the universe and the laws of cause and effect that I am not you. And thank the universe that I have better luck than you and more money than you. Although I am not personally taking credit for not being homeless, I am thanking the universe with giving me better luck than the homeless chap--as such, the arrogance remains.
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Post by trick on Dec 11, 2014 22:04:54 GMT
Does the lack of free will still allow us to logically retain our sense of arrogance? I think it does. So imagine, for example, that I am a millionaire, walking through the streets of downtown when I am suddenly approached by a homeless man, begging for money. I then tell that homeless man, thank the universe and the laws of cause and effect that I am not you. And thank the universe that I have better luck than you and more money than you. Although I am not personally taking credit for not being homeless, I am thanking the universe with giving me better luck than the homeless chap--as such, the arrogance remains. I don't know why you'd be talking to or thanking "the universe", nor do I know why such would be arrogance if you did. More likely, you'd recognize (if you thought about it) that you don't deserve more (due to your causal "luck") than the homeless man, which I'd suspect would make you less arrogant and more likely to partition some of your luck to someone who isn't to blame for their causal unluckiness. ;-) |
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Post by Jamie Soden on Dec 12, 2014 16:06:27 GMT
Does the lack of free will still allow us to logically retain our sense of arrogance? I think it does. So imagine, for example, that I am a millionaire, walking through the streets of downtown when I am suddenly approached by a homeless man, begging for money. I then tell that homeless man, thank the universe and the laws of cause and effect that I am not you. And thank the universe that I have better luck than you and more money than you. Although I am not personally taking credit for not being homeless, I am thanking the universe with giving me better luck than the homeless chap--as such, the arrogance remains. I don't know why you'd be talking to or thanking "the universe", nor do I know why such would be arrogance if you did. More likely, you'd recognize (if you thought about it) that you don't deserve more (due to your causal "luck") than the homeless man, which I'd suspect would make you less arrogant and more likely to partition some of your luck to someone who isn't to blame for their causal unluckiness. ;-) I think those who were indoctrinated with the free will belief but had left the idea behind will retain some arrogance they once had, yes. But people who were raised in a family who didn't believe in free will would be less likely to judge others for their mistakes. |
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Post by chandlerklebs on Dec 12, 2014 17:05:05 GMT
Does the lack of free will still allow us to logically retain our sense of arrogance? I think it does. So imagine, for example, that I am a millionaire, walking through the streets of downtown when I am suddenly approached by a homeless man, begging for money. I then tell that homeless man, thank the universe and the laws of cause and effect that I am not you. And thank the universe that I have better luck than you and more money than you. Although I am not personally taking credit for not being homeless, I am thanking the universe with giving me better luck than the homeless chap--as such, the arrogance remains. That behavior is similar to how Christians often thank god for how their lives are better than that of others. It of course is a type of selfishness and stupidity that I suppose a person could have even though they might understand that they don't deserve more than the homeless. |
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Post by Jamie Soden on Dec 12, 2014 21:03:58 GMT
Does the lack of free will still allow us to logically retain our sense of arrogance? I think it does. So imagine, for example, that I am a millionaire, walking through the streets of downtown when I am suddenly approached by a homeless man, begging for money. I then tell that homeless man, thank the universe and the laws of cause and effect that I am not you. And thank the universe that I have better luck than you and more money than you. Although I am not personally taking credit for not being homeless, I am thanking the universe with giving me better luck than the homeless chap--as such, the arrogance remains. That behavior is similar to how Christians often thank god for how their lives are better than that of others. It of course is a type of selfishness and stupidity that I suppose a person could have even though they might understand that they don't deserve more than the homeless. Does it even matter if we believe in free will or not? we're all going to meet the same end anyway, plus some of these arrogant nut jobs who actively push the free will doctrine can be very condescending, I bet even if some of them did have a free will they'd be the same, moronic cowards who just burden other people every chance they get, so really why should I care about them? I'm giving up with stupid people, I really do try the compassionate approach but sometimes I just think we should just dump them on an island somewhere and let natural selection take its course, We were gifted with brains that we can use to solve problems, sucks to be them, who cares, there's only so much a man can take before he runs out of patience and my patience tank has just emptied today while arguing with Lee Hudson on video #157. |
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Post by Jamie Soden on Dec 12, 2014 21:37:54 GMT
Sorry if that post was slightly offensive George Ortega and none of it was directed toward you, but I have my own issues to deal with and I don't need your haters pushing their negativity onto me, it makes me very unhappy as you would see if you were reading this on your forum. Maybe I just need to calm down but right now I'm not in the mood for this senseless banter with those idiots who accuse you of quote "child abuse" You know if this is how humanity treats each other then perhaps it's for the best if a meteor wipes us out.
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Post by chandlerklebs on Dec 13, 2014 0:02:20 GMT
Jamie, I know how you feel. I have my angry times where I feel like giving up.
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laffx
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Post by laffx on Dec 13, 2014 1:25:06 GMT
Does the lack of free will still allow us to logically retain our sense of arrogance? I think it does. So imagine, for example, that I am a millionaire, walking through the streets of downtown when I am suddenly approached by a homeless man, begging for money. I then tell that homeless man, thank the universe and the laws of cause and effect that I am not you. And thank the universe that I have better luck than you and more money than you. Although I am not personally taking credit for not being homeless, I am thanking the universe with giving me better luck than the homeless chap--as such, the arrogance remains. I don't know why you'd be talking to or thanking "the universe", nor do I know why such would be arrogance if you did. More likely, you'd recognize (if you thought about it) that you don't deserve more (due to your causal "luck") than the homeless man, which I'd suspect would make you less arrogant and more likely to partition some of your luck to someone who isn't to blame for their causal unluckiness. ;-) The dude that is a millionaire would not necessarily believe he deserves more, but he would recognize that he does have more and that is because of his causal luck. My point is that I can see such people using their causal luck as an excuse to justify their arrogance, at least until that luck goes from good to bad. |
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Post by trick on Dec 13, 2014 14:33:14 GMT
The dude that is a millionaire would not necessarily believe he deserves more, but he would recognize that he does have more and that is because of his causal luck. My point is that I can see such people using their causal luck as an excuse to justify their arrogance, at least until that luck goes from good to bad. Do you think that someone who thinks they are more deserving of their money will (most likely) be less arrogant? Explain in two sentences or less. ;-) |
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Post by laffx on Dec 14, 2014 17:33:52 GMT
The dude that is a millionaire would not necessarily believe he deserves more, but he would recognize that he does have more and that is because of his causal luck. My point is that I can see such people using their causal luck as an excuse to justify their arrogance, at least until that luck goes from good to bad. Do you think that someone who thinks they are more deserving of their money will (most likely) be less arrogant? Explain in two sentences or less. ;-) Alright, alright, I realize I was causally mistakened. If someone doesn't feel they are more deserving of money than others (as they should because free will is an illusion), then they should also feel the same way about their causal luck. This should lead to less arrogance in both cases. |
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